Device slipping - advice needed

[Luke626181]

After a few teething problems with my glans wrap (blisters suffered!) I have been successfully hanging for about 5 weeks now, progressing slowly in weight (roughly 0.5lbs per week) . I had been using 5hg of pressure which worked perfectly, allowing my glans to almost completely pack the dome with no slippage occurring during my sets and importantly no glans irritation or blisters. Today I increased the weight to 7.5lbs and noticed a gap in the dome after only a few minutes of hanging. I stopped and set up again, this time using 7hg but experienced a gap appearing once more, along with a mild amount of glans irritation as this area is taking too much of the stress. My EQ is low but I would have thought that 7hg would be enough to keep my head sufficiently expanded. Should I try an even greater amount of vacuum force?

It seems odd because hanging 7lbs was perfectly ok, but 7.5lbs and I'm slipping out easily. Slightly concerned as this weight is still very low considering the sweet spot is apparently 10+lbs.

Do you have any advice you can give?

Sadly no gains to report yet, but fingers crossed they're on the horizon.

Thanks,

Luke

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After a few teething problems with my glans wrap (blisters suffered!) I have been successfully hanging for about 5 weeks now, progressing slowly in weight (roughly 0.5lbs per week) . I had been using 5hg of pressure which worked perfectly, allowing my glans to almost completely pack the dome with no slippage occurring during my sets and importantly no glans irritation or blisters. Today I increased the weight to 7.5lbs and noticed a gap in the dome after only a few minutes of hanging. I stopped and set up again, this time using 7hg but experienced a gap appearing once more, along with a mild amount of glans irritation as this area is taking too much of the stress. My EQ is low but I would have thought that 7hg would be enough to keep my head sufficiently expanded. Should I try an even greater amount of vacuum force?

It seems odd because hanging 7lbs was perfectly ok, but 7.5lbs and I'm slipping out easily. Slightly concerned as this weight is still very low considering the sweet spot is apparently 10+lbs.

Do you have any advice you can give?

Sadly no gains to report yet, but fingers crossed they're on the horizon.

Thanks,

Luke

You can go up to 10 Hg's with the heavier weight if you like. However a little bit of separation from the bottom of the chamber shouldn't be an issue as long as it's no more than about 1/4". Another option to use if you feel a slip is to just remove the chamber, check your glans protection wrap and reload with fresh vacuum. Even if you have to do this two or three times during a hour session it's not detrimental. Remember the goal is to reach fatigue, and you should become very proficient at installing your chamber within a couple weeks of use. I can literally be wrapped and hanging weight within two minutes or less.

As for not experiencing any gains yet.... since you've only been hanging for 5 weeks you're still in the very beginner stage. I wouldn't expect much of anything for a minimum of three months of training. It took me a full year of very dedicated training, twice a day, five to six days a week for a full year to gain my first inch. Try training 3 days on, one day off, two days on, one day off, and on your "off" days work on erection quality since your EQ is low. That means work on achieving an erection for a minimum of 15-20 minutes, and during that time you can and should be doing a minimum of 50 Kegels, holding the Kegel for 3 seconds before relaxing and repeating, this will help strengthen the pelvic floor muscle and promote better erection quality. You can also do some traditional hand stretches and jelqs during that time too. You can if necessary use and ED medication to help, or even a natural type supplement like L-Arginine (which is what I use).

[Luke626181]

Thanks for the advice. I tried 7.5lbs again today with 10Hg of pressure but the same thing occurred, my glans seemed to deflate very quickly and a gap at the top and sides of the dome appeared. Despite going in at near full erection, my glans appears to be of flaccid size. I dropped the weight to 7.25lbs and the same thing occurred very quickly. I checked the pressure mid set and it hadn't dropped much, so I know there isn't a leak anywhere. I hung for 30 minutes anyway which left me with a fair amount of edema on my foreskin, which I haven't previously experienced. It's annoying because prior to now I always pack the dome throughout the entire set and everything would feel super comfortable and I could feel my ligs taking the brunt of the weight. My only guess now is that my EQ is so bad that even 10Hg's can't keep my glans expanded, which is very concerning. I'm already using a girth band too.

So considering this appears to be purely an EQ issue, would it be best for me to take a few days off and jelq/kegel instead until it improves? Or should I just drop the weight to a level where I can maintain full expansion throughout the set? I'd rather not take too many breaks as I feel I was starting to build up some good momentum.

Have you heard of this issue happening before?

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Thanks for the advice. I tried 7.5lbs again today with 10Hg of pressure but the same thing occurred, my glans seemed to deflate very quickly and a gap at the top and sides of the dome appeared. Despite going in at near full erection, my glans appears to be of flaccid size. I dropped the weight to 7.25lbs and the same thing occurred very quickly. I checked the pressure mid set and it hadn't dropped much, so I know there isn't a leak anywhere. I hung for 30 minutes anyway which left me with a fair amount of edema on my foreskin, which I haven't previously experienced. It's annoying because prior to now I always pack the dome throughout the entire set and everything would feel super comfortable and I could feel my ligs taking the brunt of the weight. My only guess now is that my EQ is so bad that even 10Hg's can't keep my glans expanded, which is very concerning. I'm already using a girth band too.

So considering this appears to be purely an EQ issue, would it be best for me to take a few days off and jelq/kegel instead until it improves? Or should I just drop the weight to a level where I can maintain full expansion throughout the set? I'd rather not take too many breaks as I feel I was starting to build up some good momentum.

Have you heard of this issue happening before?

Hard to say what's causing you to experience this downturn and declining EQ. It could be a number of things..... such as stress from a job or relationship, it doesn't sound as if you're over-training, but it's possible. If you haven't been getting enough sleep, then that could contribute to the decline in EQ. Even diet or too much alcohol? Too many unknown variables.... I'm just throwing out some possibilities. Take a few days off like you suggested, and rest up. If it's any comfort, I've experienced a similar lag time before too, but always rebounded after a rest period.

[Luke626181]

I think my low EQ is a result of a significant increase in exercise which is causing some general fatigue. Aside from that I'm very healthy and live a fairly low stress life. My EQ always comes and goes in waves however so I'm sure I'll bounce back. I'm away from home for the next 3 days which will act as a mini break. I've been taking Citrulline the last couple of days too which seems to be helping.

More importantly, I think I've found the main reason why my glans is deflating during the set. I hung again yesterday and after a large gap occurred I removed the weight and checked the pressure, which was only 2 Hg despite starting at 10 Hg. I've hung twice today and kept the hose attached throughout to the monitor the vaccuum pressure. I seem to be leaking about 1-2 HG every 5 minutes or so. As a temporary solution I kept the hose attached throughout and pumped every 5 minutes to maintain a steady 10 Hg during the set- as a result I was able to hang for a full hour once again at 7.5lbs and staying packed throughout - plus no glans problems. So a leak is happening somewhere and is the major cause of this problem. I've inspected the silicon sleeve and visually I can't see any holes, and the chamber has no cracks and remains in perfect condition. Any advice where this may be concurring? As I mentioned previously, this seems to be an issue that's come out of nowhere.

Thanks

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I think my low EQ is a result of a significant increase in exercise which is causing some general fatigue. Aside from that I'm very healthy and live a fairly low stress life. My EQ always comes and goes in waves however so I'm sure I'll bounce back. I'm away from home for the next 3 days which will act as a mini break. I've been taking Citrulline the last couple of days too which seems to be helping.

More importantly, I think I've found the main reason why my glans is deflating during the set. I hung again yesterday and after a large gap occurred I removed the weight and checked the pressure, which was only 2 Hg despite starting at 10 Hg. I've hung twice today and kept the hose attached throughout to the monitor the vaccuum pressure. I seem to be leaking about 1-2 HG every 5 minutes or so. As a temporary solution I kept the hose attached throughout and pumped every 5 minutes to maintain a steady 10 Hg during the set- as a result I was able to hang for a full hour once again at 7.5lbs and staying packed throughout - plus no glans problems. So a leak is happening somewhere and is the major cause of this problem. I've inspected the silicon sleeve and visually I can't see any holes, and the chamber has no cracks and remains in perfect condition. Any advice where this may be concurring? As I mentioned previously, this seems to be an issue that's come out of nowhere.

Thanks

Glad to hear your EQ issues are only temporary.

I'd like to address the issues regarding Hg pressure....
Whenever you plug the hand pump hose into the chamber and draw out vacuum and then unplug it and re-plug back into the chamber, you will never get the same reading. There's couple reasons for that. First the volume of space inside the chamber is miniscule and so is the amount of Hg pressure. Ten Hg's of pressure is a tiny puff of air! Re-plugging the male fitting into the female fitting on the chamber alone will cause vacuum to escape, which is why you see it drop down from your original 10Hg's all the way to only 2 Hg's. So what you're experiencing is a little misleading. You do not need to monitor the vacuum pressure inside the chamber while keeping the hand pump plugged in, but if you believe that allows you to maintain your hang without a slip, then that is completely your choice. Because the seal between the silicon sleeve and your penis skin is susceptible to imperfections, movement while hanging and the fluctuations in your penis size during your hang it's not ever going to be a seal that's 100% leak proof. Vacuum can slowly leak if your sleeve fit isn't snug, which is why I always advise using the little black Velcro strap, if you apply it around the mid section of your shaft and make it snug it will help promote better sleeve / skin contact and help eliminate potential vacuum leaking.

[Luke626181]

Thanks for your advice. I may try changing the silicon sleeve to see if that makes any difference, since I never used to experience any loss of vacuum and 5hg was working well for me.

Stupidly I have however made a classic error. I ended up having to take a full week off due to work, and when I started hanging again yesterday I resumed at the same weight and vacuum pressure (10hg). Fortunately no blisters occurred, but my glans around the urethra is significantly bruised (reddish colour) - some mottling and a couple of dark patches BUT there is no pain or sensitivity in the area. The bruising settles down a little bit a few hours after hanging but still looks bad. Should I rest completely until it heals, or continue hanging at a lighter weight and let it heal slowly over time? I'd rather not take any more breaks. I'm so angry with myself that I let this happen!!! Prior to this I often experienced a little redness post hang but would always subside quickly, but this is definitely more a bruise situation I think.

[Foldus]

A bruise anywhere on you body is the same. It will heal in due time, You can continue to hang and you shouldn't have a problem other than the discolor of the skin. But if you feel you need to take a couple days off to rest and recover, then trust your instincts.

[Luke626181]

I'm still having a problem with vacuum loss and I can't get to the bottom of it. I replaced the silicone sleeve - the new one is much tighter and longer, covering my entire penis and girth band. Alongside using the velcro tape applied tightly, there is no way vacuum is leaking here. When I enter the device with my glans near fully erect and pump up to 10hg, I can watch the needle leak vacuum - it is slow but within a few minutes it has dropped drastically - this is without even hanging any weight whatsoever. I've tested this mutliple times and the same thing occurs. This should definitely not be happening. The dome looks perfect so that cannot be the cause either. I can only guess there is a fault with the female coupler fitting? Has this happened to anyone else before? At the moment I can only hang if I keep adding vacuum continuously throughout my set, which is not sustainable long term and is a major inconvenience. If I remove the hose I can feel the vacuum decrease gradually until it's at zero during which the device slips considerably, and this process irritates my glans.

Aside from a potential faulty female coupler I don't know what else I can do. Worst case scenario I'm going to have to return the device for it to be fixed.

[Luke626181]

Update to the above: I tried the test method described in the below link, and the same leakage is occuring, so it must be due to the chamber of the female coupler fitting:

http://lghangerllc.blogspot.com/2017...ng-vacuum.html

[Foldus]

I'm still having a problem with vacuum loss and I can't get to the bottom of it. I replaced the silicone sleeve - the new one is much tighter and longer, covering my entire penis and girth band. Alongside using the velcro tape applied tightly, there is no way vacuum is leaking here. When I enter the device with my glans near fully erect and pump up to 10hg, I can watch the needle leak vacuum - it is slow but within a few minutes it has dropped drastically - this is without even hanging any weight whatsoever. I've tested this mutliple times and the same thing occurs. This should definitely not be happening. The dome looks perfect so that cannot be the cause either. I can only guess there is a fault with the female coupler fitting? Has this happened to anyone else before? At the moment I can only hang if I keep adding vacuum continuously throughout my set, which is not sustainable long term and is a major inconvenience. If I remove the hose I can feel the vacuum decrease gradually until it's at zero during which the device slips considerably, and this process irritates my glans.

Aside from a potential faulty female coupler I don't know what else I can do. Worst case scenario I'm going to have to return the device for it to be fixed.

Please review the user instructions. This is NOT a penis pump where you need to constantly monitor the vacuum within the chamber. Once you have your chamber installed, draw out the desired amount of vacuum you want to use, and then disconnect the hand pump hose from the chamber. Attach your weight and slowly lower it and let gravity do it's job. If you plug the hand pump hose back onto the chamber to see how much vacuum you have in the chamber you will likely get a zero reading. The reason is because there is such a small volume of space inside the chamber and 10 Hg's of vacuum is a very tiny puff of air....
Just plugging the hose back into the chamber will allow the vacuum inside to escape. So as long as you are able to hang weight without is slipping don't worry about what amount of Hg vacuum pressure is within the chamber.

[Foldus]

Update to the above: I tried the test method described in the below link, and the same leakage is occuring, so it must be due to the chamber of the female coupler fitting:

http://lghangerllc.blogspot.com/2017...ng-vacuum.html

For me to diagnose your issues I need to see what you're doing. I would suggest you make a video of your hanging protocol and email it to us. I have a good idea of what you're doing incorrectly.

[Luke626181]

Update:
I've been following your approach to not worry about the vacuum pressure too much and instead aim to remain packed using as little vacuum as possible. Admittedly I've had a good streak of late, finally getting up to 10lbs. I've found it best to stagger my weight increases, so 10 mins @ 6lbs, 10 mins @8 lbs and 40 mins @10lbs, which allows me to warm up sufficiently. I start with 5hg of vacuum pressure and increase up to around 8hg at most which keeps me at least 90% packed. Once I've pumped to the desired vacuum I now always detach the hose unlike before. Visually any gaps near the top look minimal when hanging.

It's taken me about 4 months of consistent hanging to get here, but I'm not convinced my glans is adapting to the weight/pressure increase sufficiently, and it's definitely holding me back. Everything else feels great: I'm not getting blisters, my ligaments often have a dull ache between sessions and I even think I 'may' have gained a little. It seems I'm very prone to discoloration, and my glans is now near permanently red near the urethra. I often take back off days where I reduce the weight or volume to manage the issue. I've tried going into the dome soft, 50% erect and 100% erect but either way the problem continues. I use a cross of waterproof tape followed by plenty of tender tape to keep everything tight - no skin is ever exposed. When I remove the device, the wrap remains firmly fixed to my unit so I know it hasnt come loose during the set. I can't imagine any other type of wrap would offer any additional benefit. If anything I use way more tape than advised! The only thing I haven't tried is wrapping with my foreskin pulled forward, but I'm wary this will limit the ligament stretch? I tried using the silicon cap when I first started but that actually gave me a blister so I don't want to try that again.

I'm frustrated because my weight increases have been very slow - more annoyingly I haven't read many accounts of guys suffering with this issue. It seems that so many guys progress quickly to 10+ lbs with no problems. I've read through hundreds of forum posts and aside from the odd blister it seems discoloration is rare. I just can't understand why this is happening? Surely I'm doing something wrong! The bottom two thirds of my glans always looks perfect, but the top third looks a disgusting mess right now. Perhaps the shape of my glans just doesn't conform well enough to the dome so there's always going to be a little gap which takes all the strain?

I took 4 days off to let my glans heal up, which it did. Today however I resumed hanging at just 5lbs (50% reduction in weight) with 5hg and despite feeling no pain/itching the discoloration has immediately returned, and if anything looks worse than ever - now very dark purple in some spots. Sadly I think I need a prolonged rest to let the skin heal completely before resuming again.

As you can tell I'm frustrated and losing hope a bit. I love the LG hanger and I'm convinced I can make great gains if I keep going, but I can't continue to hang if this issue continues. I'm very determined to make this work and have plenty of time to invest so I'm not giving up just yet.

As always I greatly appreciate any advice you can offer

[Foldus]

Hello Luke,
Doesn't sound like you are doing anything incorrectly. Is the discoloration of your glans skin permanent? Or only a temporary thing after your hang session? The redness around the urethra opening is not uncommon when training above the 8 lb level. I've experienced it myself and if I stop hanging for a few days it disappears. Your condition could be exasperated because you are uncircumcised. That "meatus" skin is very delicate and sensitive and vacuum pressure can make is swell and get red and puffy when you get up to the heavier weights. Circumcised guys seem to have an advantage because the skin is less sensitive.

I'd suggest you train two days on, one day off, two on, one off. On your off days continue to work on erection quality and do your hand stretches / jelqs for 5-10 minutes.

You might want to consider trying some advanced exercises like the Fulcrum and Bundle, as they generate a lot of stress and fatigue without having to use heavier weight.

Additionally if you add a pumping routine to your training it will probably help to condition your glans skin to be more resistance to swelling and discoloration. I suggest a Bathmate if you have the means to afford one.

I've always advocated the optimal PE routine is like a 3 legged stool..... hand stretching, weigh hanging and pumping. They all work synergistically together.